1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:05,180 In this episode of American Greed, captured. 2 00:00:06,940 --> 00:00:11,360 These four American Greed fugitives may have thought they got away with their 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,700 schemes and scams, but they thought too soon. 4 00:00:15,060 --> 00:00:16,760 I wasn't going to let this drop. 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:18,060 I wanted him found. 6 00:00:18,300 --> 00:00:21,840 Whether flaunting their freedom in the limelight or taking their newfound 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,420 television fame to heart, they've all got something to hide. 8 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,660 And it's only a matter of time before the predator becomes the prey. 9 00:00:35,820 --> 00:00:40,880 By land or by sea, and even with the help of alert American Greed viewers, 10 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:45,920 enforcement has brought these fraudsters into custody to face the music for a 11 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:52,460 total of more than $90 million worth of lying and deceit. I am just so 12 00:00:52,460 --> 00:00:58,260 grateful that the show found him as the answer to a prayer. 13 00:01:20,330 --> 00:01:22,270 Nisha is Nisha Jackson. 14 00:01:22,950 --> 00:01:26,370 Chucky or Charles is Charles Barksdale. 15 00:01:26,990 --> 00:01:30,630 And in the summer of 2008, they're wanted by federal investigators. 16 00:01:31,630 --> 00:01:35,950 Over the past several years, the two have found a way to rob banks not only 17 00:01:35,950 --> 00:01:39,830 without a gun, but without the banks even knowing they're being robbed. 18 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,960 Barksdale speaks to American Greed the Fugitives about how they got banks to 19 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:48,020 just hand over piles of cash. 20 00:01:48,740 --> 00:01:51,980 Robbing a bank with a cell phone and a prepaid credit card, of course. 21 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:54,360 No violence, nobody get hurt. 22 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,860 Barksdale and Jackson's scheme recruits women all across the country to walk 23 00:01:59,860 --> 00:02:05,420 into banks and convince tellers to pay cash advances on almost worthless 24 00:02:05,420 --> 00:02:06,420 credit cards. 25 00:02:06,730 --> 00:02:11,009 simply by asking them to call the credit card company to confirm their balance. 26 00:02:11,730 --> 00:02:16,670 There's only one problem with the phone number these teams provide the teller. 27 00:02:17,350 --> 00:02:22,890 That's not the number of the credit card company. It's really 1 -800 -CO 28 00:02:22,890 --> 00:02:27,530 -CONSPIRATOR, and the person answering the phone is Nyasha Jackson. 29 00:02:28,130 --> 00:02:30,270 Like a con game, like an old con game. 30 00:02:30,550 --> 00:02:33,130 You know, you could talk a person into doing whatever you want them to do. If 31 00:02:33,130 --> 00:02:34,330 you say it, if you ask them right. 32 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:40,360 The scheme steals more than $2 .5 million from banks all across the 33 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,140 I ain't going to say I'm proud of it. Well, I ain't mad that I did it, 34 00:02:44,260 --> 00:02:46,380 dog. Everybody's a little bit greedy. 35 00:02:47,460 --> 00:02:52,100 Barksdale claims that the fraud he masterminds is the result of a personal 36 00:02:52,100 --> 00:02:53,100 offensive. 37 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,560 I'm a ladies' man. I could have whatever female I was with at the time do that. 38 00:02:59,180 --> 00:03:00,540 Whoever was riding with me. 39 00:03:01,230 --> 00:03:04,730 I give them the script and they're going to say it. But the feds think it's Nisa 40 00:03:04,730 --> 00:03:07,970 Jackson who has the skills that make the fraud work. 41 00:03:08,410 --> 00:03:13,770 None of this could have happened without Jackson's knowledge of how to 42 00:03:13,770 --> 00:03:17,870 impersonate the customer service rep at the card company and how to walk the 43 00:03:17,870 --> 00:03:21,670 teller through the key presses necessary for a forced transaction. 44 00:03:22,210 --> 00:03:27,390 In early 2008, the FBI and Secret Service pieced together the nearly 45 00:03:27,390 --> 00:03:28,990 cases across the country. 46 00:03:29,530 --> 00:03:34,690 and follow the money back to Sacramento, California, and Charles Barksdale. 47 00:03:44,670 --> 00:03:49,590 Barksdale pleads guilty to one count of bank fraud. And now, from behind bars, 48 00:03:49,970 --> 00:03:53,930 he says he knew all along exactly how this story would end. 49 00:03:55,610 --> 00:04:00,430 Hey, for real, real American Greek, I mean, I knew I would get caught. 50 00:04:01,330 --> 00:04:04,370 But I didn't know I was going to get this much time. 51 00:04:05,590 --> 00:04:10,730 Mark Dale is sentenced to nearly 11 years in prison, and it appears to be a 52 00:04:10,730 --> 00:04:11,870 -up call for Jackson. 53 00:04:12,690 --> 00:04:16,850 After pleading guilty to bank fraud, she is released on a $50 ,000 bond. 54 00:04:17,890 --> 00:04:23,490 On October 6, 2011, she is scheduled to return to court to face sentencing. 55 00:04:25,140 --> 00:04:26,960 Nyasha Jackson was looking at some years. 56 00:04:27,660 --> 00:04:28,920 There's no doubt about it. 57 00:04:29,620 --> 00:04:34,680 And there we are in the morning, and it's time for Nyasha Jackson actually to 58 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:35,680 sentenced. 59 00:04:35,980 --> 00:04:39,160 Her lawyer's there, and I'm there, the judge is there. 60 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:40,480 No Jackson. 61 00:04:42,980 --> 00:04:47,540 According to Jackson's defense, Jackson spends the next two and a half years 62 00:04:47,540 --> 00:04:52,360 leading a transient and dangerous life, selling herself to make money. 63 00:04:55,920 --> 00:05:00,420 When American Greed the Fugitive features Nisha Jackson in the episode 64 00:05:00,420 --> 00:05:06,580 Bank Robbing Babe in September 2012, her defense claims things only get worse. 65 00:05:06,820 --> 00:05:12,700 They say she is held hostage and tortured by a former friend demanding 66 00:05:12,700 --> 00:05:13,980 she made during the scam. 67 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:20,080 But on April 25, 2014, Nisha Jackson's life on the run comes to an end when she 68 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,280 once again finds herself on TV. 69 00:05:23,180 --> 00:05:27,760 And it appears that she didn't disdain her appearance on American Greed as much 70 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,120 as the defense suggests. 71 00:05:29,820 --> 00:05:31,960 Her real name, Naisha Nicole Jackson. 72 00:05:32,300 --> 00:05:36,840 She was caught leaving a hotel in Fairfield. But what she had with her was 73 00:05:36,840 --> 00:05:37,779 more interesting. 74 00:05:37,780 --> 00:05:41,780 She had T -shirts and business cards with the American Greed logo on them, as 75 00:05:41,780 --> 00:05:45,420 well as her moniker, the fake robbing babe. It's almost like wearing a wanted 76 00:05:45,420 --> 00:05:46,420 poster. 77 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,720 In addition to her customized American Greed swag. 78 00:05:50,410 --> 00:05:55,590 She is found with $84 ,000 worth of cash and this array of luxury brand shoes, 79 00:05:56,130 --> 00:05:59,730 jewelry, and more than 25 designer handbags. 80 00:06:00,290 --> 00:06:05,750 She is also found with a bank card and ID in someone else's name, indicating 81 00:06:05,750 --> 00:06:09,990 that she was possibly engaging in some kind of fraud while on the run. 82 00:06:11,150 --> 00:06:15,970 Jackson is not charged with any new frauds, but her time on the run is over. 83 00:06:16,390 --> 00:06:18,630 On May 16, 2015... 84 00:06:19,150 --> 00:06:23,650 She is scheduled to face a judge once again, and this time, there will be no 85 00:06:23,650 --> 00:06:24,650 escape. 86 00:06:25,010 --> 00:06:29,930 She is sentenced to 15 years and 7 months in a federal prison in Central 87 00:06:29,930 --> 00:06:30,930 California. 88 00:06:35,310 --> 00:06:40,690 When American Greed the Fugitives returns, a man accused of embezzling 89 00:06:40,690 --> 00:06:44,570 million tries to start a new life on the Appalachian Trail. 90 00:06:44,810 --> 00:06:47,910 But there are some secrets he can't walk away from. 91 00:06:48,659 --> 00:06:53,720 The agent had told me that Jim Hammons has to be lucky every day of his life. 92 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,640 We only have to be lucky one day. 93 00:06:57,180 --> 00:06:59,880 And May 16th was that day. 94 00:07:17,130 --> 00:07:18,430 The Appalachian Trail. 95 00:07:19,630 --> 00:07:24,590 Between two and three million people a year hike at least some portion of the 2 96 00:07:24,590 --> 00:07:29,870 ,100 -mile journey that passes through 14 states from Georgia to Maine. 97 00:07:31,690 --> 00:07:34,370 To many hikers, it's a weekend getaway. 98 00:07:34,930 --> 00:07:38,230 And for others, it's a chance to get in touch with nature. 99 00:07:38,510 --> 00:07:43,970 But for some, it's a quest to escape from the world and become an entirely 100 00:07:43,970 --> 00:07:44,970 person. 101 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:48,520 evens everybody out. 102 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:55,560 You do not know if the man coming in my door is a state senator or if he's a bad 103 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,840 boy at the grocery store that saved his money. 104 00:07:58,140 --> 00:08:02,820 Susie Montgomery runs the Montgomery Homestead Bed and Breakfast in Damascus, 105 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:07,280 Virginia, known as the friendliest town on the Appalachian Trail. 106 00:08:08,460 --> 00:08:14,720 She sees thousands of hikers pass through her 814 -person town every year, 107 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,410 she says, That live and let live is a key motto on the trail. 108 00:08:19,130 --> 00:08:23,730 Hikers even adopt trail names instead of going by the names they're known by in 109 00:08:23,730 --> 00:08:24,730 the outside world. 110 00:08:25,270 --> 00:08:31,470 Names like Thunder Chicken or Eternal Optimist. Or in the case of one man who 111 00:08:31,470 --> 00:08:34,169 first stays at Montgomery's Bed and Breakfast in 2010, 112 00:08:35,070 --> 00:08:36,530 Bismarck. 113 00:08:37,490 --> 00:08:42,429 He got along with everybody very well. He was a very pleasant person, very 114 00:08:42,429 --> 00:08:43,429 man. 115 00:08:45,550 --> 00:08:50,030 The two get along so well that Bismarck comes back every year to stay with 116 00:08:50,030 --> 00:08:55,310 Montgomery during Damascus' annual spring festival for hikers, Trail Days. 117 00:08:55,830 --> 00:09:00,650 But despite the personal connection, like many hikers on the trail, 118 00:09:00,650 --> 00:09:02,390 past remains a mystery. 119 00:09:03,110 --> 00:09:06,910 I don't know what he did in the winter. I don't know what he did when he was off 120 00:09:06,910 --> 00:09:07,749 of the trail. 121 00:09:07,750 --> 00:09:14,090 He never just really revealed it, so I didn't inquire anymore. 122 00:09:14,730 --> 00:09:19,310 If she had, it's doubtful he would tell her the truth, because the truth is 123 00:09:19,310 --> 00:09:22,490 something Bismarck is trying very hard to hide. 124 00:09:25,510 --> 00:09:30,830 February 2009, in the G andJ Pepsi Bottling Company offices of Lexington, 125 00:09:31,010 --> 00:09:37,070 Kentucky, the FBI awaits the arrival of the company's controller, James Hammes. 126 00:09:37,370 --> 00:09:42,130 They believe that Hammes has embezzled $8 .7 million from the company. 127 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,900 over the previous ten or more years. 128 00:09:45,700 --> 00:09:49,540 But when Hammes arrives, the meeting doesn't go as planned. 129 00:09:50,340 --> 00:09:54,660 My expectation, generally, when someone is confronted with a situation where 130 00:09:54,660 --> 00:10:00,000 there's such a preponderance of evidence, is that the person will say, 131 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:01,120 okay, I did it. 132 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:07,080 Not Mr. Hammes. He completely denied any part of it. When Hammes asks for an 133 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:08,840 attorney, the meeting is cut short. 134 00:10:09,470 --> 00:10:12,090 And the next meeting won't be for a very long time. 135 00:10:12,750 --> 00:10:18,110 After Hammes leaves that day, the FBI won't see him for another six years. 136 00:10:20,550 --> 00:10:27,130 For Hammes' former sister -in -law, Jane Ryan, it's six years of torment and 137 00:10:27,130 --> 00:10:28,130 frustration. 138 00:10:28,970 --> 00:10:34,330 This is just one of those things that you never would have seen coming. 139 00:10:34,730 --> 00:10:38,750 And I like to think of myself as a pretty good judge of character. 140 00:10:39,260 --> 00:10:43,280 But he just, he fooled everybody. 141 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,320 But for Ryan, the most troubling part isn't what Hammond stole. 142 00:10:49,820 --> 00:10:55,180 It's what he willingly left behind, his 22 -year -old daughter, Amanda. 143 00:10:55,940 --> 00:11:02,920 I'm a mother, so I can't imagine abandoning a child like he did. She 144 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,600 thought she had the best dad in the whole world. 145 00:11:07,180 --> 00:11:10,600 and that he was a good, honorable, honest man. 146 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:17,520 And when she found out that he wasn't, that was very 147 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:18,520 devastating. 148 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,500 Heartache seems to follow James Hammes. 149 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:30,360 Six years earlier, Jane's sister Joy is killed in a fire in the home she shares 150 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,180 with Hammes while Amanda is out on a date. 151 00:11:34,350 --> 00:11:39,110 Not only does the tragedy shatter the family, there are also several 152 00:11:39,110 --> 00:11:43,470 details about the fire that the family can't stop questioning. 153 00:11:45,250 --> 00:11:51,030 The smoke alarm he had taken down, the dogs were pinned in the kitchen and they 154 00:11:51,030 --> 00:11:52,030 couldn't wake her up. 155 00:11:52,470 --> 00:11:59,190 He was out for a walk. This looks not great for Jim, but at the same time I 156 00:11:59,190 --> 00:12:01,650 would rationalize it and say, there is no way. 157 00:12:02,220 --> 00:12:05,140 that he would have done this, what would his motivation have been? 158 00:12:05,740 --> 00:12:09,480 At the time, the family largely accepts it as an accident. 159 00:12:09,860 --> 00:12:15,380 But knowing what they know now about Hammes' alleged secret dealings, the 160 00:12:15,380 --> 00:12:17,220 has a hard time believing his story. 161 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:24,280 This isn't Hammes' first experience with a building going up in flames. 162 00:12:25,300 --> 00:12:26,780 This man had... 163 00:12:28,450 --> 00:12:33,390 been involved in five different fires. And you know, when I would ask somebody 164 00:12:33,390 --> 00:12:37,670 what they thought about that, their comment would say, you know, I've never 165 00:12:37,670 --> 00:12:39,690 involved in one fire, let alone five. 166 00:12:40,430 --> 00:12:45,470 According to Ryan, once the family learns of Hammes' fraud and flight, they 167 00:12:45,470 --> 00:12:50,010 begin to think about the fire and Hammes in a whole new way. 168 00:12:50,490 --> 00:12:55,010 I think we kind of all felt that he was running from more than just... 169 00:12:55,550 --> 00:12:59,270 You know, a lot of people are caught embezzling, but when you just take off 170 00:12:59,270 --> 00:13:03,450 you're missing, then there's something more that he's running from. 171 00:13:04,430 --> 00:13:09,330 In 2012, the family is interviewed for an episode of American Greed, The 172 00:13:09,330 --> 00:13:14,310 Fugitives, hoping that someone will identify Hammett and they can have some 173 00:13:14,310 --> 00:13:15,410 their questions answered. 174 00:13:15,810 --> 00:13:18,810 Until they do, no one is going to give up the hunt. 175 00:13:19,650 --> 00:13:23,150 Not the FBI, and especially not Jane Ryan. 176 00:13:23,950 --> 00:13:25,610 I wasn't going to let this drop. 177 00:13:26,050 --> 00:13:28,290 I wasn't going to let them forget. 178 00:13:28,890 --> 00:13:30,670 I wanted him found. 179 00:13:32,130 --> 00:13:36,790 When American Greed returns, a new look and a new life. 180 00:13:37,310 --> 00:13:40,850 But James Hammes can't disguise his lies forever. 181 00:13:41,350 --> 00:13:42,229 It's him. 182 00:13:42,230 --> 00:13:43,790 I was 100 % sure. 183 00:13:44,150 --> 00:13:45,690 I just thought, he's alive. 184 00:13:46,430 --> 00:13:48,750 He's alive and he's out there and we're going to get him. 185 00:14:06,860 --> 00:14:13,340 By 2015, accused Lexington, Kentucky, embezzler James Hammis has been on the 186 00:14:13,340 --> 00:14:15,520 from the FBI for nearly six years. 187 00:14:15,820 --> 00:14:19,740 And it's been three years since his story was told on American Greed, The 188 00:14:19,740 --> 00:14:25,720 Fugitives. When three years went by, I won't say, I didn't give up hope, 189 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:30,380 but I thought he might have gotten away with this. 190 00:14:31,820 --> 00:14:34,000 He just might have gotten away with this. 191 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:38,980 The disappearance is hard for Jane Ryan and her family to believe. 192 00:14:39,540 --> 00:14:43,820 But for Hammes' daughter, Amanda, it's not just hard to believe. 193 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:45,780 It's hard to live with. 194 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:52,600 Every holiday was very hard because I think in her mind she was maybe 195 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,780 is this the time when he'll reach out if he's out there somewhere? 196 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,220 Amanda declined to speak with American Greed for this episode. 197 00:15:03,820 --> 00:15:08,300 But in her interview for the original show, she is desperate to have him 198 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:13,100 And she has an idea about how her father is living his life on the run. 199 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:18,060 I think he's enjoying it. I think he's probably somewhere where he can do the 200 00:15:18,060 --> 00:15:23,080 things that he likes, and I would not be surprised if there were other people 201 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:27,040 that he has duped into being close to him. 202 00:15:27,940 --> 00:15:30,700 She doesn't know how right she is. 203 00:15:37,310 --> 00:15:42,290 Patrick Bredlow first meets a hiker going by the name of Bismarck at the end 204 00:15:42,290 --> 00:15:47,290 the summer in 2014, while Bredlow is in the final month of his first complete 205 00:15:47,290 --> 00:15:49,430 hike of the Appalachian Trail. 206 00:15:49,690 --> 00:15:52,530 We spent a lot of time just talking about family. 207 00:15:52,850 --> 00:15:59,770 He talked a little bit about his one child, that she was in medicine, and 208 00:15:59,770 --> 00:16:00,770 he missed her. 209 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:06,220 But he hadn't seen her for quite a long time just because he preferred to stay 210 00:16:06,220 --> 00:16:09,920 in the woods and she was quite independent, as he described it, and 211 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:14,840 well. Bismarck tells Bredlow that he's hiked the trail every summer the last 212 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:15,840 five years. 213 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,320 And he isn't doing it alone, either. 214 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:24,140 He's with a woman he met on the trail several years ago and has been with ever 215 00:16:24,140 --> 00:16:25,140 since. 216 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:30,420 He always said, this is everything I ever sought and wanted. 217 00:16:30,860 --> 00:16:34,820 I've got nature's beauty always around me and a woman I love. 218 00:16:35,060 --> 00:16:37,540 What else can a person ask for? 219 00:16:38,060 --> 00:16:42,920 He said many times he would want to spend the rest of his life hiking the 220 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:44,540 Appalachian Trail back and forth. 221 00:16:45,740 --> 00:16:47,160 It beats prison. 222 00:16:48,140 --> 00:16:53,860 Because this gregarious hiker is not a selfless nomad with the wanted fugitive 223 00:16:53,860 --> 00:16:55,000 James Hammes. 224 00:16:55,630 --> 00:17:00,450 And despite his status as a fugitive, he allows dozens of photos to be taken of 225 00:17:00,450 --> 00:17:03,510 him, each one smiling more broadly than the last. 226 00:17:03,930 --> 00:17:06,810 But his overconfidence will be his downfall. 227 00:17:07,250 --> 00:17:12,170 One day, I was on my way home from the grocery store, and Amanda called me and 228 00:17:12,170 --> 00:17:13,550 said, where are you? 229 00:17:13,950 --> 00:17:16,170 I've got an email you need to see. 230 00:17:16,730 --> 00:17:21,329 Amanda Hammes forwards Ryan a remarkable email from an American Greed viewer. 231 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,760 who tracks Amanda down after watching a rebroadcast of the show. 232 00:17:26,339 --> 00:17:29,440 It is the message the family has been waiting for. 233 00:17:30,500 --> 00:17:36,460 He had said, I believe I've traveled the Appalachian Trail with your father, and 234 00:17:36,460 --> 00:17:37,780 here are pictures of him. 235 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:43,840 I took one look at the pictures, and he was bearded and long hair and 236 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,600 everything. I took one look, and I knew. 237 00:17:46,170 --> 00:17:47,830 100 % sure it was him. 238 00:17:48,070 --> 00:17:53,050 Ryan contacts the FBI and gets them in touch with the hiker who identifies 239 00:17:53,050 --> 00:17:55,170 Hammes from American Greed the Fugitives. 240 00:17:55,750 --> 00:18:02,030 Now the FBI has to try to determine where on this 2 ,100 -mile trail they 241 00:18:02,030 --> 00:18:06,210 able to track down the rambler who goes by Bismarck. 242 00:18:06,550 --> 00:18:12,150 They eventually zero in on the one event he never misses, Damascus, Virginia's 243 00:18:12,150 --> 00:18:14,370 annual festival, Trail Days. 244 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:21,420 And on the morning of May 16, 2015, Hammes is once again staying at the 245 00:18:21,420 --> 00:18:24,680 Montgomery homestead, just like he does every May. 246 00:18:25,220 --> 00:18:28,640 But this year's wake -up call is going to be different. 247 00:18:29,140 --> 00:18:33,760 I heard a knock at the door, and I came, I was in the kitchen, I came to the 248 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,860 door, and the first thing I thought was all these, all these men. 249 00:18:38,060 --> 00:18:40,020 I thought, these are not hikers. 250 00:18:40,620 --> 00:18:41,680 No, they are not. 251 00:18:42,540 --> 00:18:46,380 They are FBI agents, and they say they want to speak to a man who goes by the 252 00:18:46,380 --> 00:18:47,900 name Bismarck. 253 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:52,720 I said, okay, and I went upstairs, and I knocked on the door. 254 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:54,960 I said, Bismarck, are you here? 255 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:56,500 And he said, yeah. 256 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,340 And I said, well, there's some guys out here that want to talk with you. 257 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:06,100 The FBI agents speak with Hammes in his room for approximately 15 minutes, then 258 00:19:06,100 --> 00:19:07,700 lead him back to the living room. 259 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,420 They came down the stairs, and he was handcuffed at that point. 260 00:19:11,780 --> 00:19:17,620 And I was able to hug him, and he said, just whispered to me, said, I'm sorry, 261 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,160 Susie. And then they just left. 262 00:19:20,980 --> 00:19:22,420 And that was how it was. 263 00:19:24,180 --> 00:19:28,700 That afternoon, Jane Ryan gets the call she and her family have been awaiting 264 00:19:28,700 --> 00:19:29,940 for six years. 265 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:35,920 It was the FBI, and he said, we arrested Jim Hammond this morning in Damascus, 266 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,510 Virginia. I almost dropped the phone. I can't even explain the feeling. 267 00:19:40,210 --> 00:19:41,430 Mission accomplished. 268 00:19:41,910 --> 00:19:44,330 That's what I thought. Mission accomplished. 269 00:19:45,070 --> 00:19:50,370 Currently, James Hammes awaits sentencing after pleading guilty to wire 270 00:19:50,790 --> 00:19:55,570 The family believes that the truth about the fire that killed his wife may never 271 00:19:55,570 --> 00:19:56,469 be known. 272 00:19:56,470 --> 00:20:00,810 But it's been reported that the Lexington Fire Department at one point 273 00:20:00,810 --> 00:20:04,770 the investigation, though nothing conclusive has yet been revealed. 274 00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:06,250 In the meantime... 275 00:20:06,750 --> 00:20:11,610 They are just glad that the journey down this long trail has finally come to an 276 00:20:11,610 --> 00:20:12,610 end. 277 00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:16,890 I don't think we'll ever know the truth about Joy's death, but as long as he's 278 00:20:16,890 --> 00:20:18,650 behind bars, it doesn't matter what for. 279 00:20:19,150 --> 00:20:23,770 As long as he's behind bars, that gives me satisfaction. I just hope he's there 280 00:20:23,770 --> 00:20:24,970 for a really long time. 281 00:20:25,250 --> 00:20:31,130 And if he had anything to do with it, he will get his justice later on. 282 00:20:31,670 --> 00:20:34,270 Amanda Hammes has moved on with her life. 283 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,220 working her way through medical school. 284 00:20:36,860 --> 00:20:40,260 But the sudden reemergence of her father has been a shock. 285 00:20:41,180 --> 00:20:45,980 Ryan says that Hammes has been in contact with Amanda since his arrest, 286 00:20:45,980 --> 00:20:50,360 been a challenge for Amanda to reconcile all the feelings she is going through. 287 00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:56,660 I think it's been difficult emotionally. I think she's had to relive a lot of 288 00:20:56,660 --> 00:20:59,640 things and face a lot of things. 289 00:21:00,990 --> 00:21:07,450 I think she's trying her best to continue with her life and deal with the 290 00:21:07,450 --> 00:21:09,590 emotions that come with this. 291 00:21:10,090 --> 00:21:14,290 We're all very proud of her. She's very tough. She's a tough cookie. 292 00:21:14,550 --> 00:21:18,870 After all she's been through, losing her mother and then finding out what her 293 00:21:18,870 --> 00:21:24,330 father had done is something that most people wouldn't rebound from. He has. 294 00:21:24,610 --> 00:21:25,830 Right. It's amazing. 295 00:21:29,260 --> 00:21:34,980 Next on American Greed, a routine traffic stop leads to the end of the 296 00:21:34,980 --> 00:21:36,540 this American Greed fugitive. 297 00:21:57,550 --> 00:21:59,130 June 16, 2012. 298 00:21:59,890 --> 00:22:05,670 Security video shows investment manager Aubrey Lee Price at the ferry terminal 299 00:22:05,670 --> 00:22:09,250 in Key West, Florida, buying a ticket to Fort Myers. 300 00:22:10,350 --> 00:22:15,170 Price has collected approximately $40 million in his Georgia -based investment 301 00:22:15,170 --> 00:22:17,110 fund, PFG. 302 00:22:17,330 --> 00:22:22,150 And by the time he boards the northbound ferry, it appears he's burned through 303 00:22:22,150 --> 00:22:23,310 nearly all of it. 304 00:22:24,110 --> 00:22:29,330 In a letter sent to regulators and to investors like Stark Wilbur, just before 305 00:22:29,330 --> 00:22:33,690 his departure, he confesses his guilt and his intentions. 306 00:22:34,270 --> 00:22:39,250 I apologize in advance for the lack of structure, grammar, and harmony of 307 00:22:39,250 --> 00:22:44,230 thought. I realize that my time is up, and there is no way that I can work my 308 00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:45,810 way out of the mess that I have created. 309 00:22:46,190 --> 00:22:51,290 Price leaves regulators and investors to believe that his last act on Earth... 310 00:22:51,500 --> 00:22:56,260 will be to jump from the ferry into the Gulf of Mexico, leaving behind a wife 311 00:22:56,260 --> 00:23:01,900 and four children and drowning his once -admired life in shame and regret. 312 00:23:04,140 --> 00:23:09,560 It's a dramatic conclusion to a devastating story, if only it were true. 313 00:23:10,380 --> 00:23:12,760 But it's not where this story ends. 314 00:23:15,460 --> 00:23:20,540 FBI Special Agent Douglas Left pours over security footage from that day. 315 00:23:21,050 --> 00:23:25,450 and finds evidence of a man not looking to die, but disappeared. 316 00:23:26,150 --> 00:23:30,150 At the airport, he's wearing a burgundy cap. A short while later, when he 317 00:23:30,150 --> 00:23:32,570 arrives at the ferry terminal, he's now wearing a white cap. 318 00:23:32,770 --> 00:23:37,790 People that commit suicide, it's probably unlikely that you'll find too 319 00:23:37,790 --> 00:23:41,150 them that decided that they needed to change the color hat they were wearing 320 00:23:41,150 --> 00:23:43,790 just before that terrible moment was to take place. 321 00:23:44,330 --> 00:23:46,230 The FBI never gives up the hunt. 322 00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:50,610 But after nearly two years, no sign of Price is to be found. 323 00:23:51,150 --> 00:23:57,030 And it appears that the FBI's investigation may drown along with 324 00:23:57,670 --> 00:24:02,170 That's where the curtain goes down and we're left to try to put the pieces 325 00:24:02,170 --> 00:24:07,490 together. But behind the curtain, there's an entirely new show in the 326 00:24:07,490 --> 00:24:10,370 Aubrey Lee Price himself is the author. 327 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:19,420 In 2014, journalist Charles Bethea writes a story about Price for Atlanta 328 00:24:19,420 --> 00:24:24,880 Magazine, where he gets an exclusive interview with Price, as well as an 329 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:30,280 from a manuscript Price is writing about his time on the run called The 330 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:31,600 Inglourious Fugitive. 331 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:38,020 In it, Price tells his version of what happened on that not -so -fateful day in 332 00:24:38,020 --> 00:24:39,020 2012. 333 00:24:40,590 --> 00:24:44,350 When the last light of day was gone, I became engulfed in a sea of great 334 00:24:44,350 --> 00:24:48,930 darkness, a darkness that would bring terror to any man's heart. 335 00:24:49,570 --> 00:24:52,590 He sat there, you know, woe is me, why, why? 336 00:24:53,410 --> 00:24:57,870 And then he had these sort of series of epiphanies about why he couldn't or 337 00:24:57,870 --> 00:24:59,190 shouldn't jump off the ferry. 338 00:25:00,970 --> 00:25:04,550 Instead, he, with or without a plan, we don't really know, he set out in a new 339 00:25:04,550 --> 00:25:05,550 life. 340 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:14,120 According to U .S. Attorney Ed Tarver, Price most definitely had a plan, and he 341 00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:16,300 started preparing it far in advance. 342 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:23,460 We think about 2011, he realized that things were going south. He purchased a 343 00:25:23,460 --> 00:25:27,680 condo down in Orlando, Florida, and he purchased a truck, I believe it was, 344 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:33,080 he pre -positioned in Bradenton, Florida. And he started making plans to 345 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,700 further detection. 346 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,660 According to Tarver, it's all part of a plan Price is ready to execute the 347 00:25:39,660 --> 00:25:42,380 moment he steps off the ferry in Key West. 348 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,580 He left the ferry, made his way to Bradenton, got in the truck and drove to 349 00:25:46,580 --> 00:25:50,320 Orlando and began his new life as a fugitive. 350 00:25:50,900 --> 00:25:55,540 Tarver says that Price gets work where he can to try to keep his new life 351 00:25:55,540 --> 00:25:58,340 afloat. That's the official version, anyway. 352 00:26:01,180 --> 00:26:05,220 According to Bethea, Price's version of what happened after he gets off the 353 00:26:05,220 --> 00:26:11,140 ferry in Fort Myers is a remarkable and somewhat self -aggrandizing story of a 354 00:26:11,140 --> 00:26:12,360 man seeking redemption. 355 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,340 He gets on the ferry in Key West with, I think he said, you know, a couple 356 00:26:16,340 --> 00:26:20,600 dollars in his pocket, with the understanding that he can't or shouldn't 357 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,220 to his family, but instead... 358 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:27,100 Set off and find a way to make back the money that he's lost. 359 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,860 I mean, it's this sort of heroic narrative, setting off into the 360 00:26:31,860 --> 00:26:33,740 unknown, with the holy mission. 361 00:26:34,380 --> 00:26:38,420 But the holy mission takes a decidedly unholy turn. 362 00:26:41,220 --> 00:26:42,780 When American Greed returns, 363 00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:49,020 Aubrey Lee Price claims his personal tale of redemption takes him south of 364 00:26:49,020 --> 00:26:53,830 border. and this time he may be faced with a death that can't be faked. 365 00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:55,770 He heard me cock the trigger. 366 00:26:56,130 --> 00:27:01,030 I said, listen to me very carefully. Do not take your eyes off of my eyes. 367 00:27:01,310 --> 00:27:05,310 Do not even blink at your bodyguards. We will both die right here, right now, 368 00:27:05,450 --> 00:27:06,890 and I'm more than ready to go. 369 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:33,580 In June 2012, alleged $40 million fraudster Aubrey Lee Price is on the 370 00:27:33,580 --> 00:27:38,000 run from law enforcement. And in an interview with journalist Charles 371 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:44,240 the Georgia native claims he hits the high seas once more, this time to the 372 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,500 south. He said Venezuela at one point, he said Central America, South America. 373 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,400 It was south, south of the United States somewhere in his telling of it. 374 00:28:00,330 --> 00:28:05,670 He went down there and quickly fell in with a guy who he called Pedro, which 375 00:28:05,670 --> 00:28:08,550 perhaps not the most creative of names if it was made up. 376 00:28:09,090 --> 00:28:13,730 Before Price managed hedge funds, he was a Baptist preacher who did missionary 377 00:28:13,730 --> 00:28:15,630 work in Central and South America. 378 00:28:16,190 --> 00:28:21,650 And according to his retelling, he knows Pedro as a legitimate businessman from 379 00:28:21,650 --> 00:28:22,670 those earlier days. 380 00:28:24,010 --> 00:28:26,030 But there's a dark side to Pedro. 381 00:28:27,370 --> 00:28:31,470 In Price's telling of it, This man sort of had Price where he wanted him and 382 00:28:31,470 --> 00:28:34,490 could use Price to further his ends, whatever those might be. 383 00:28:34,790 --> 00:28:40,170 And so he began to work for him as a bag man, essentially, for a cocaine 384 00:28:40,170 --> 00:28:45,630 operation. And a bag man for a cocaine operation is a dangerous job. 385 00:28:46,390 --> 00:28:51,950 He said that Pedro made it very clear to him that if he were to out Pedro for 386 00:28:51,950 --> 00:28:55,930 Pedro's illegal activities, Pedro would kill his family, that Pedro knew exactly 387 00:28:55,930 --> 00:28:56,930 where they lived. 388 00:28:59,210 --> 00:29:01,930 Maybe it contained some truth, maybe it contained no truth. 389 00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:07,650 We don't really know, but it was Lee's attempt at creating a narrative about 390 00:29:07,650 --> 00:29:09,530 this missing time. 391 00:29:09,910 --> 00:29:11,870 And it's a fascinating narrative. 392 00:29:12,930 --> 00:29:16,830 Talking to him convinces Bethea how Price could have swindled more than 100 393 00:29:16,830 --> 00:29:19,110 people of $40 million. 394 00:29:20,330 --> 00:29:24,210 He told good stories. Whether or not they're true, people like to be around 395 00:29:24,210 --> 00:29:27,270 storytellers. It doesn't really matter at the end of the day, and that's... 396 00:29:27,870 --> 00:29:32,070 That's how he got as far as he did in life, I think. And even though at the 397 00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:36,990 I felt like this guy almost certainly has lied to me throughout this process, 398 00:29:36,990 --> 00:29:39,650 still felt a genuine connection to him. 399 00:29:39,930 --> 00:29:44,310 Price tells Bethea that for several months he works as a bag man and a 400 00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:47,170 bodyguard, a drug dealer and a pimp. 401 00:29:49,050 --> 00:29:53,630 Authorities haven't been able to confirm Price's claims, but facts that are not 402 00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:57,730 in dispute... are that Price eventually ends up near Jacksonville, Florida, 403 00:29:57,910 --> 00:30:00,910 where he begins to explore a new line of work. 404 00:30:01,350 --> 00:30:04,910 When he was growing up, a young man, he loved planting palm trees. 405 00:30:05,330 --> 00:30:10,370 He had a green thumb of some kind. So here was a guy who had an ability with 406 00:30:10,370 --> 00:30:15,350 growing plants, now needing money, and in a rural part of Florida where people 407 00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:18,430 probably bought and sold marijuana, and he began to do that. 408 00:30:20,330 --> 00:30:27,230 Price has 225 marijuana plants growing in a mobile home and unattached garage 409 00:30:27,230 --> 00:30:30,670 a property he rents in Citra, Florida, under a fake name. 410 00:30:31,170 --> 00:30:35,870 And the former preacher seems to believe he's found yet another calling. 411 00:30:36,190 --> 00:30:40,210 He talked to me a lot about different varieties. He learned about the names, 412 00:30:40,210 --> 00:30:43,470 I think he kind of enjoyed the fact that he was becoming this connoisseur of 413 00:30:43,470 --> 00:30:44,470 cannabis. 414 00:30:44,530 --> 00:30:48,990 And it appears his resurrection is not a surprise to everyone. 415 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,820 U .S. Attorney Ed Tarver believes that Price makes contact with both his father 416 00:30:53,820 --> 00:30:56,900 and his daughter while on the run, and even a girlfriend. 417 00:30:58,220 --> 00:31:00,780 But oddly, not his wife. 418 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:07,660 The indication is that he asked his father and his daughter not to tell his 419 00:31:07,660 --> 00:31:08,660 that he was still alive. 420 00:31:09,340 --> 00:31:13,560 And we have no evidence that they told her. 421 00:31:13,860 --> 00:31:16,640 But she and the rest of the world... 422 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,160 are about to find out. 423 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:24,820 It was New Year's Eve in 2013 when we observed an old Dodge pickup truck in 424 00:31:24,820 --> 00:31:29,720 slow lane that had a large crack in the windshield and the window tint was 425 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:35,580 illegal. A cracked windshield and tinted windows. The ultimate downfall of a $40 426 00:31:35,580 --> 00:31:36,860 million fugitive. 427 00:31:37,540 --> 00:31:38,720 How you doing, sir? 428 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,320 I'm Deputy Giuliano with the Glynn County Sheriff's Office. 429 00:31:42,810 --> 00:31:44,430 I knew he was very nervous from the beginning. 430 00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:48,110 He was holding the license in his hand and he started fumbling through 431 00:31:48,110 --> 00:31:51,730 looking for his license. I actually had to tell him that I wanted the license 432 00:31:51,730 --> 00:31:52,730 that was in his hand. 433 00:31:52,810 --> 00:31:56,610 Deputy Justin Giuliano asks Price to step out of the car. 434 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,740 And I searched him first, and as I was searching him, he kept trying to reach 435 00:32:07,740 --> 00:32:12,160 into his pocket to grab something. And I removed another license from his 436 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,260 pocket, different from the license he had given me. 437 00:32:14,460 --> 00:32:15,460 Who is this guy? 438 00:32:15,660 --> 00:32:19,160 That's me. 439 00:32:19,780 --> 00:32:20,780 Who is that? 440 00:32:21,020 --> 00:32:27,120 That's when we determined that he was giving us a 441 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,140 false name and date of birth. He was lying about his identity. 442 00:32:33,719 --> 00:32:37,420 The deputies slap on the cuffs and take him to the sheriff's office. 443 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,280 Once we got him into the booking room, I told him he was going to be 444 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:45,300 fingerprinted in, and we were going to learn his true identity one way or the 445 00:32:45,300 --> 00:32:50,340 other. At that point, he said, if y 'all can get a reward, y 'all are going to 446 00:32:50,340 --> 00:32:50,999 be rich. 447 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,480 And he gave us his name, and he gave it to us by spelling it out, at which point 448 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,200 I had to ask him, all right, who is Aubrey Lee Price? 449 00:32:58,970 --> 00:33:04,330 Deputy Giuliano may not know the name Aubrey Lee Price, but when he contacts 450 00:33:04,330 --> 00:33:06,430 FBI, they certainly do. 451 00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:11,930 And while Deputies Giuliano and Brian Falk aren't eligible for the reward 452 00:33:12,390 --> 00:33:16,610 the arrest does put the Glynn County Sheriff's Office in the national 453 00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:21,790 Now to a headline -making arrest out of Georgia. A former banker accused of 454 00:33:21,790 --> 00:33:25,850 faking his own death to cover up the theft of millions of dollars captured... 455 00:33:26,330 --> 00:33:28,750 During a routine traffic stop, Peter has more on that. 456 00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:35,750 When I found out he was alive, I was immediately thinking, what does this 457 00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:37,430 for the victim? 458 00:33:37,910 --> 00:33:41,910 Melanie Damien is assigned as the court receiver while Price is still a 459 00:33:41,910 --> 00:33:46,670 fugitive. And it is her job to get as much money back for Price's victims as 460 00:33:46,670 --> 00:33:50,650 possible. His capture puts her in an awkward position. 461 00:33:51,310 --> 00:33:54,970 Frankly, there's pros and cons because there was a lot of information we needed 462 00:33:54,970 --> 00:34:00,210 from Mr. Price. So it has been helpful to have him to explain things and to 463 00:34:00,210 --> 00:34:05,710 provide information and tell us where additional assets might be. But the 464 00:34:05,710 --> 00:34:07,990 biggest struggle with it has been the life insurance. 465 00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:12,610 While Price was missing, Damien was able to assist in getting a death 466 00:34:12,610 --> 00:34:18,650 certificate issued by the court, allowing her to collect $1 .8 million 467 00:34:18,650 --> 00:34:19,650 life insurance. 468 00:34:20,139 --> 00:34:24,199 When Price is found alive, the insurance company wants their money back. 469 00:34:24,860 --> 00:34:30,600 The court agrees to a compromise, and as a result, Damien has to give back half 470 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:31,498 the money. 471 00:34:31,500 --> 00:34:35,719 What would have been a million dollars better? About $900 ,000 better for the 472 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,179 victims if he had remained dead. 473 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,739 The living Price has his own problems. 474 00:34:42,460 --> 00:34:47,239 On April 10, 2014, Price is brought to face arraignment for the 17 -count 475 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,060 indictment relating to his fraud. 476 00:34:50,380 --> 00:34:54,760 The former preacher turned financial advisor is almost completely 477 00:34:54,760 --> 00:35:01,640 unrecognizable, both in spirit and appearance, especially to those who 478 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:02,760 once trusted him. 479 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,400 No, he looked like a kind of a thug that would do you harm, possibly. 480 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:13,640 But ironically, it's not the thug, but the clean -cut Aubrey Lee Price who did 481 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:14,640 the most damage. 482 00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:18,440 And just weeks after Price's arrest, Wilbur... 483 00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:23,570 who lost almost his entire retirement savings in Price's scheme, receives yet 484 00:35:23,570 --> 00:35:27,270 another letter from Price that seems sadly familiar. 485 00:35:27,970 --> 00:35:33,950 Stark, I am writing to you to once again express my deepest and most sincere 486 00:35:33,950 --> 00:35:39,070 apologies for the financial, emotional, and painful losses you have experienced 487 00:35:39,070 --> 00:35:42,210 as a result of my mismanagement of your investments. 488 00:35:42,860 --> 00:35:48,980 The letter was basically a rehash of what the original investor's letter had 489 00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:53,420 been. And in this particular letter, he said that he was going to work for the 490 00:35:53,420 --> 00:35:58,380 rest of his life to try and repay everybody for what he had lost for them. 491 00:35:58,820 --> 00:36:01,620 Wilbur doesn't buy it, and neither does the judge. 492 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,300 On June 5, 2014, Price pleads guilty to three counts of fraud. 493 00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:11,980 And his journey from spiritual advisor to financial advisor... 494 00:36:12,490 --> 00:36:18,550 fugitive to felon comes to an end as a prisoner sentenced to 30 years in a 495 00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:19,910 federal penitentiary. 496 00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:28,630 Next on American Greed, American Greed fugitive David Kauf just can't seem to 497 00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:33,090 keep out of the spotlight and alert viewers leave law enforcement right to 498 00:36:33,090 --> 00:36:37,070 door. There were a number of calls from people who had seen the show who knew 499 00:36:37,070 --> 00:36:38,590 that was the person we were looking for. 500 00:36:50,990 --> 00:36:57,310 On November 14, 2013, American Greed to Fugitives airs the story of Los Angeles 501 00:36:57,310 --> 00:37:03,150 resident David Kaupp, a part -time mortgage lender, part -time partier, and 502 00:37:03,150 --> 00:37:04,350 -time scam artist. 503 00:37:04,690 --> 00:37:05,870 April 2012. 504 00:37:06,570 --> 00:37:11,550 29 -year -old David Kaupp pleads guilty in Los Angeles to orchestrating a series 505 00:37:11,550 --> 00:37:14,530 of mortgage and lending frauds across the country. 506 00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:19,530 Kaupp may be young, but he's destroyed lives and stolen nearly $11 million. 507 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,880 At the time, Kalb had skipped his sentencing and went on the run, even 508 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:25,880 pleading guilty. 509 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,640 His whereabouts were completely unknown. 510 00:37:28,900 --> 00:37:32,760 But according to law enforcement, it is only a matter of time before he is 511 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,240 brought back to face the real music. 512 00:37:35,900 --> 00:37:40,780 David Kalb may have avoided the law for now, but James Bowman assures American 513 00:37:40,780 --> 00:37:42,860 Greed he hasn't forgotten about it. 514 00:37:43,260 --> 00:37:49,100 We're very motivated to do whatever we can and to follow any lead so that we'll 515 00:37:49,100 --> 00:37:50,100 see Mr. Kalb. 516 00:37:50,250 --> 00:37:51,250 back in that courtroom. 517 00:37:51,930 --> 00:37:53,490 And I look forward to that day. 518 00:37:56,310 --> 00:37:59,350 Joseph Hoffman is one of Cobb's prey. 519 00:37:59,730 --> 00:38:04,930 He hands over $400 ,000 to Cobb with the expectation that he will earn a $4 520 00:38:04,930 --> 00:38:09,350 million -plus line of credit for his growing cosmetics business. 521 00:38:09,830 --> 00:38:14,930 We had a written contract that was signed that clearly stated... 522 00:38:15,420 --> 00:38:20,160 that the funding would be completed within 45 days, otherwise there'd be a 523 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,160 refund. 524 00:38:21,420 --> 00:38:25,340 Unfortunately, Hoffman never gets the funding, nor the refund. 525 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,980 And he's been suffering the consequences ever since. 526 00:38:30,740 --> 00:38:36,260 The company is just really crippled, you know, at this point, and 527 00:38:36,260 --> 00:38:42,020 it's just like every year it's on its last leg. 528 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:48,120 When Kaupp pleads, Hoffman doesn't even get the satisfaction of seeing the 529 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,120 shackles put on. 530 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:55,500 Looking back, former assistant U .S. attorney James Bowman sees signs that 531 00:38:55,500 --> 00:38:58,680 isn't as remorseful as his guilty plea might suggest. 532 00:38:59,420 --> 00:39:03,400 The one thing in meeting with him that just seemed off was he really seemed to 533 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,840 feel like this was just how business is done. The effects to the victims didn't 534 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,640 really seem to sink in for him, didn't seem to bother him. 535 00:39:12,220 --> 00:39:16,740 When the feds look into his days leading up to sentencing, it appears Kaup has 536 00:39:16,740 --> 00:39:20,220 been planning on leaving his dance card empty for a while. 537 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,420 He had never told his family that he had pled guilty, that he was going to 538 00:39:24,420 --> 00:39:28,600 prison. He told them that he was going to be going on a business trip to China 539 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,980 and was going to be gone for a little bit and then turned off his cell phone. 540 00:39:32,620 --> 00:39:34,680 So it didn't look like this was just a moment of... 541 00:39:34,990 --> 00:39:38,550 The panic, you know, leaving someone at the altar, got cold feet on his way to 542 00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:41,530 court and just couldn't go through with it. It was very clear this had been 543 00:39:41,530 --> 00:39:42,570 something he'd been thinking about. 544 00:39:42,830 --> 00:39:46,630 But the more David Kopp changes, the more he stays the same. 545 00:39:47,650 --> 00:39:49,750 This partier isn't headed overseas. 546 00:39:50,490 --> 00:39:53,050 He's headed to the biggest party city of all. 547 00:39:58,430 --> 00:40:03,330 Within about a month or two from the time he fled, he ended up in Las Vegas. 548 00:40:03,790 --> 00:40:09,070 And he used the name Tyler Cohen and really set up a new life for himself 549 00:40:09,110 --> 00:40:13,930 He met a woman who became engaged. He started up his own stock trading 550 00:40:13,930 --> 00:40:16,510 investment company, which certainly raises questions. 551 00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:22,270 But at the time, law enforcement seems to have no idea where David Kaupp is. 552 00:40:22,690 --> 00:40:26,270 Without any substantial leads, they turn to the media. 553 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:32,180 We came on this show, on American Greed the Fugitive, and explained what 554 00:40:32,180 --> 00:40:36,020 happened and showed a lot of information that could help people identify him if 555 00:40:36,020 --> 00:40:36,779 they saw him. 556 00:40:36,780 --> 00:40:38,780 And as it turned out, a number of people did. 557 00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:43,600 Within weeks after the show first airs, an American Greed viewer reaches out to 558 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,300 the website featured on the program. 559 00:40:45,780 --> 00:40:49,520 And it's only a matter of time before the feds are ready to act. 560 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:54,260 So an operation was put into place. The FBI went out to the house where he was 561 00:40:54,260 --> 00:40:56,160 staying. First thing in the morning, he... 562 00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:00,720 Saw them coming, actually. I think he was up early trading and came outside 563 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:04,160 surrendered. But his spirit of surrender is short -lived. 564 00:41:04,580 --> 00:41:09,520 He decided to fight his sentencing vigorously. And he explained his reason 565 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,380 fleeing as saying he was really afraid of one of the victims. 566 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,540 So he said it threatened him before so severely that he was worried for his 567 00:41:16,540 --> 00:41:20,520 safety. And so he made the rash decision to flee to protect himself. 568 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,600 According to Bowman, Kalb's claim doesn't ring true. 569 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:30,000 And on November 20, 2014, Kalb is once again scheduled for sentencing. 570 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,960 This time, there is no running away. 571 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,400 It meant a lot to me. I had thought a lot about what I wanted to say at that 572 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,040 first sentencing because I really wanted to do right by the victims. I really 573 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,020 wanted to make sure that for the victims who couldn't be there, that I was able 574 00:41:44,020 --> 00:41:48,020 to explain to the court in a way that really gave their voice to what had 575 00:41:48,020 --> 00:41:49,020 happened. 576 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,240 That was even more important the second time around. 577 00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:56,760 And if Bowman's focus is increased for Kauff's second chance at sentencing, 578 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,960 only further amplified for the judge. 579 00:41:59,940 --> 00:42:02,640 Judges are mad at me if I'm late to court by a minute. 580 00:42:02,860 --> 00:42:07,400 You know, for somebody who's late by a year and a half, that's a whole 581 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,400 matter. 582 00:42:08,420 --> 00:42:12,000 Kauff receives eight years and four months in federal prison. 583 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,500 But for victim Joseph Hoffman, he's not sure prison is enough. 584 00:42:16,940 --> 00:42:21,200 I have no doubt that when he is out, he is going to create. 585 00:42:21,610 --> 00:42:28,450 And he's a guy that needs exposure on TV so that hopefully 586 00:42:28,450 --> 00:42:33,170 people could be able to see the guy and run. 587 00:42:36,510 --> 00:42:40,070 On American Reads, cosmetic surgery nightmare. 588 00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:46,150 Hip -hop hustlers sell backroom beauty until one client pays the ultimate 589 00:42:46,450 --> 00:42:49,750 American Reads, next, only on CNBC. 590 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,080 Hello.